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Help with exercising my "part loan" 5 year old.
Nov 20 2007, 4:00 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2007, 4:00 PM EST
I have a gorgeous 15.2hh black ride and drive on part loan. He is 5 years old and called Sam. We have had him for two months. He belongs to the man who owns the private yard where Sam is kept. I was the one who tried Sam out, because his owner doesn't know much about horses and wanted to LEARN to drive. At the time I did not know that he didn't know anything about horses yet along not knowing how to drive a horse.
Sam is a great all rounder, but can be really naughty and does some stupid naps just to try me out all the time. He does not get away with these but can be quite dangerous, for example he nearly backed into a car. Not out of fear though out of stubbornness all because he wanted to go the other way.
I had done so much work with him and even though he is just on loan to me he is like my own. I even had to buy a saddle for him which was specially fitted. His owner said I can ride him until I'm 99 though, and I have got a share agreement.
The thing is I have been recommended by one of our county's best horsey person to school him out of his naughtiness then only when he is well behaved and I have full control and he has learnt his lesson then I can hack him out. However this is not possible as our fields are too boggy until summer time. I can't afford to hire a school one a week nether mind once a day!
He is really naughty when I try to hack him out alone and he won't lunge.
I fear that when his owner tries to drive him (without any experience and a green horse) that he will just ruin all the work I have done as he is heavy handed and Sam can be strong sometimes.
I am in two minds, I love this horse to bits however I can't school him and I can see him get even naughtier down the line, especially that I am only riding 3 days a week now.
Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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SLW84
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1. RE: Help with exercising my "part loan" 5 year old.
Nov 21 2007, 2:25 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2007, 2:25 PM EST
Thanks for your comment Kristina.
Sam sounds like a very kind horse, just very green which is to be expected as he is still only a baby. It sounds as though you are doing a good job with him. I know the feeling of not being able o school through winter - my field is like a bog but I am lucky to have lots of off road riding and a friend close by with an arena. I would keep hacking him and doing what you are doing. Remember, you do not need a school to do schooling. You can do simple schooling whilst out hacking. If he is nappy try lots of little things to keep his brain engaged. With a sharp young horse you will mainly be riding their brains for a time until they build up some basic behaviour and understanding as well as confidence. Simple things can be done like walk for 10 strides, trot for 10 strides, halt, turn back for 10 strides then continue en route again. Simple leg yielding once he is a bit more established, ride into a gateway then opps I changed my mind lets go this way kind of tactics. Just simple things which keep him thinking. The main thing is just to try and keep it relaxed and fun - he is a baby afterall. With regards to the other owner, Sam doesn't sound ready to learn to drive himself let alone with a novice behind him. I would suggest that the guy has some proper lessons and get himself experienced before coming near Sam. It is hard when sharing but great that you have an agreement. What does your agreement actually state? I think you need to sit down and have a chat with this guy about what is best for Sam, he is priority after all. Also you are sharing so therefore you have the same amount of say in this horse as him - again, I think you need to have a chat and tell him exactly what you are thinking. It is so easy for horses to be ruined but it takes longer to fix them (trust me I know) just be open and honest about your worries and I am sure you will sort something.
Good luck, if I can help anymore, do let me know
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xxxkristinaxxx
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2. RE: Help with exercising my "part loan" 5 year old.
Nov 22 2007, 2:19 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2007, 2:19 PM EST
Thanks for such an understanding reply! I have thought things through decided that I am going to carry on riding Samson and school as I hack. Like you said walk for 10 strides etc. This way he will be listening and learning while hacking.
The share agreement (I made it) is basically the BHS loan agreement but with a lot of things taken out. So basically it is to my advantage, I have also stated no one is to use my tack and equipment, and that it will be fore 2 years unless something happens. And if the horse is to be sold I shall get first refusal. And just things about insurance and that vet bills and dentistry etc. are the owners responsibility.
I am sharing him and have as much say as he does, but he owns the horse and pays for the majority of things for him. I pay for half the shoes, and towards some feeds and supplements. I do have to arrange the rugs, worming, shoeing etc because he is not knowlegable enough to do so.

I shall have to talk to him, but I am not sure what I can say to make him realise that driving a 5 year old horse with little experience is not a good idea. He knows he naps and has seem him napping, but he seems to think he wouldn't do this in a cart.
I do not want him ruined as its all my hard work and money which has gone into the riding aspect of the horse, and if he does ruin the horse I will have to pick up the peices.



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SLW84
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3. RE: Help with exercising my "part loan" 5 year old.
Nov 22 2007, 4:13 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2007, 4:13 PM EST
"Thanks for such an understanding reply! I have thought things through decided that I am going to carry on riding Samson and school as I hack. Like you said walk for 10 strides etc. This way he will be listening and learning while hacking.
The share agreement (I made it) is basically the BHS loan agreement but with a lot of things taken out. So basically it is to my advantage, I have also stated no one is to use my tack and equipment, and that it will be fore 2 years unless something happens. And if the horse is to be sold I shall get first refusal. And just things about insurance and that vet bills and dentistry etc. are the owners responsibility.
I am sharing him and have as much say as he does, but he owns the horse and pays for the majority of things for him. I pay for half the shoes, and towards some feeds and supplements. I do have to arrange the rugs, worming, shoeing etc because he is not knowlegable enough to do so.

I shall have to talk to him, but I am not sure what I can say to make him realise that driving a 5 year old horse with little experience is not a good idea. He knows he naps and has seem him napping, but he seems to think he wouldn't do this in a cart.
I do not want him ruined as its all my hard work and money which has gone into the riding aspect of the horse, and if he does ruin the horse I will have to pick up the peices.



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Sharing is always difficult in my oppinion. Sometimes it works out well but there are problems even with the best of friends. Sounds as though you have done everything correctly though so well done.
In my experience, when horses are ridden and driven they do tend to prefer one or the other. One irish cob that I schooled years ago was originally a driving horse (I was schooling him ridden) and he never went as well ridden as he did when driven. He was nappy under saddle, very bargy and bolshy but in a trap he was a gent. I think this was because he learned to drive first and got all his confidence in driving. Maybe Sam will be the opposite and stick more to riding than driving. I think you are wise to chat to the owner and just tell him what you have told me. For him to drive this horse when he is inexperienced is likely to cause problems for him and the horse. I would strongly recommend that the owner has some driven training away from Sam before even thinking about starting with him, by which time he should have gained even more confidence under saddle. All horses are different and unique so it difficult to say what the outcome is likely to be. I just think keep doing what you are doing and have a sit down with the owner. Don't forget, I am always here if you need a chat or any further advice. My email address is on the contacts page if you would prefer to get in touch that way, and of course NR!!
Good luck and do keep me posted, you sound like you are doing a good job so just stick with it.
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